Old pictures II

I’m having a brainstone with this one. Interwar British biplane right? I’m sure I’ve seen a pic of it before but I’m drawing a blank.

Update July 29, 2017, it’s a Hawker Hart.

And, I found this bit of info on a forum thread ( http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?26223-Some-pictures-my-Grandfather-gave-me-(warning-large-pics)/page2). Annoyingly, the pics mentioned are photobucket links and are not showing up in the thread.

“These Harts are part of the first production batch of 15 (J9933-J9947), of which nearly all served with 33Sqn; the exceptions being J9933, which served with the manufacturers in several different trials, and J9947, which went out to 39Sqn at Raisalpur for tropical trials against its Wapiti IIAs. 

J9939 – 33Sqn 5/3/30 – 10/31; to 51Sqn

J9936 – 33Sqn 27/2/30 – 10/31; to 57Sqn

J9934 – 33Sqn 15/3/30; with 18Sqn 9/11/31;

J9946 – 33Sqn 8/5/30 (was fitted with a DC conversion set for trials, authorised 13/3/30); to MKRS 19/6/30 for Brussels meeting, then to 33Sqn 13/9/30; MKRS for demonstration purposes 19/9/30; eventually to 18Sqn 29/10/31 .”

And I found this excerpt of Transcript of RAF Operational Record Book of No. 33 Squadron based at RAF Eastchurch 14 Sep 1929 through 4 Nov 1930

27/2 Hawker Hart J.9936 received in unit
28/2 Hawker Hart J.9938 received in unit
1/3 Hawker Hart J.9940 received in unit
5/3 Hawker Hart J.9939 received in un
15/3 Hawker Hart J.9934 and J.9941 received in unit
Ok, good guesses in the comments, thanks. Is it a Hind?

Or a Hart? 

Look at the markings. My pic is J9934, the pic Hart pic above is J9933. I’m saying it’s a Hart in my old pic.

  1. #1 by oldfussbudget on July 27, 2017 - 7:52 pm

    Hawker Fury?

    • #2 by albell on July 27, 2017 - 8:34 pm

      That’s it!

      Thanks David.



    • #4 by albell on July 27, 2017 - 9:11 pm

      Yup, nailed it david



  2. #5 by Steve on July 27, 2017 - 8:57 pm

    Could it be a Hawker Hart, the fighter-bomber cousin to the Fury? The location could be a bomber base given the nose of the older bomber in the foreground. There were several other versions based on the Fury/Hart design all looking very much alike. A better detective could identify it from the squadron markings.

    • #6 by albell on July 27, 2017 - 9:15 pm

      Ah jeeze, Steve,

      Two seater check, hart rather than fury.

      I’m claiming supper and drinks for my enthusiasm for davids guess.




    • #7 by albell on July 27, 2017 - 9:16 pm

      Yes, you make good point about bomber base. Any guesses on the wonder of the nose in foreground. Immediately one thinks of vickers vimy but there must be others with that nose style.


    • #8 by albell on July 27, 2017 - 9:40 pm

      Steve, could it be a vickers Virginia in the foreground?

  3. #9 by ORR on July 27, 2017 - 10:22 pm

    The Foreground Nose could be a Handley Page Bomber

    • #10 by albell on July 28, 2017 - 8:35 am

      I’ll have to look that up too.


  4. #11 by ORR on July 27, 2017 - 10:35 pm

    • #12 by albell on July 28, 2017 - 8:35 am


      I’m batting 500 on the id in this series. Big blunders on this one and the oxford airspeed. I’m gun shy now 🙂


  5. #13 by stuzog on July 28, 2017 - 10:39 pm

    Could the two-seater be a Hawker Hind? , another variant of the Hart ? The Hawker Fury was a single-seat fighter.

    • #14 by albell on July 29, 2017 - 6:33 am


      Yes, could be. What I have to do now is post some pics and we can compare.
      Also, the squadron markings might help, if I can decode them 🙂



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