Vanagon – beating the H4 led subject to death

It’s a provincial holiday here today, Family Day, and what better use of my free time is there but to dick around with the H4 leds some more. 

One thing I haven’t mentioned before is my puzzlement with what the data sheet says. It states, and it does not specify if this is for the pair or a single, “input power L/25W H/25W”.


Ok then, let’s see if we can make any sense of that. On low beam only the cup shrouded led elements are powered up. That’s half of the available elements on the bulb. And on high beam all the led elements are powered. So how come the wattage figures remain the same?

I hooked a bulb up to a power source and ammeter. The current draw varied with input voltage. At 14V the current  measured 1.20A. At 10V the current measured 1.10A. But curiously, at 11.5V the current measured 1.47A. My power source only goes up to 15.5V, at that setting the current was 1.10A.

That was for high beam, low beam values very similar.

So a couple of things strike me. One is that the current draw had a peak at 11.5V and dropped of on either side of that voltage. Must be something to do with the power regulating circuits in the bulb, I bet it’s obvious to those with a bit of electronic knowledge. The second things is that the current draw was pretty well the same for both high beam and low beam. So that goes a little way in explaining how the spec sheet claims 25w for both high and low beam.
But do my measured values even come close to the spec sheet values? Let’s take the 14V reading, 1.20A. 

(1.20A)(14.0V)= 16.8W

That’s a fair bit from 25 isn’t it? 

Again it’s not clear if the spec sheet is for one bulb or two. If it’s for two then doubling measured value for one bulb would give 33.6W. Closer to 25W but come on…

At this point I get the feeling that either I’m missing something damned obvious or else the spec sheet is inaccurate. 

As I had one of the led bulbs in hand I thought I’d try comparing it to a 55/60W halogen in a couple of 6.5″ e code H4 lamps. These are nice German made Hella lamps, new old stock, unused, meant for the Iltis military vehicle. I thought I’d shine the lamps onto a bit of black card and see what the beam pattern looks like at a very short projection distance.

The lamp(s)


The super sophisticated experimental set up.


Low beam, 55W halogen. Oh I have to add that the batteryused as power source wasn’t at full charge, it’s at 12V. And for some reason the halogen low beam is lass bright than expected. But it’s beam pattern I’m interested in.


Now low beam with the led bulb.


A little different but certainly comparable. More light down low on the led don’t you think?

And now high beam, 60W halogen.


I draw your attention to the defined beam pattern outline, and compare to next, high beam led.


I’d say, and certainly feel free to disagree, that the led beam pattern is slightly less defined. But both quite comparable.

You know it all comes down to the placement of the light emitting elements in the lamp housing. And to how the light disperses from the elements. I think that the led placement is fairly good, but I think (and talking completely without any direct proof) that how the light comes out of the led, how it radiates from the surface mounted elements, differs from how the light emits from a tungsten filament. It’s not an outlandish assertion, the halogen filament is held in space and radiates all around, 360 degrees. The led elements are constrained by being placed on a surface and the best they can do is radiate 360 degrees minus the amount the led back plane interferes ( and that’s assuming that the led elements alone radiate 180 degrees, and I’m not sure that they do).

Ok enough of this for now. I think the thing that will put this exercise to rest will be the side by side comparison with the halogen lights on good friend Simon’s van.

  1. #1 by Steve on February 13, 2017 - 5:32 pm

    Love ya work! More!

    • #2 by albell on February 13, 2017 - 5:52 pm

      Well thanks Steve, I think 🙂

      I made a mistake when doing th amperage measurements, I should have used my more accurate bench meter rather than the cheap hand held. But the entire excerise was a bit impromptu, the conclusions drawn to be used as indication at most.

      Cheers

      Ab

  2. #3 by edbee on February 13, 2017 - 7:10 pm

    Always interesting 🙂

    What is the current draw on the Hellas? Does it work out as Ohm’s law would suggest: 12Vx 5A = 60 watts (on high beam)?

    One other question (likely a silly one): the beam patterns almost look upside down (as on low beam the less bright part of the beam pattern should be to the top left so as not to blind oncoming drivers, ) Could that be the case?

    You guys still have snow on the ground? I have spent many hour shoveling in the last week or so. Just today got it so that our little Golf can navigate the driveway (which is 800 ft long!)

    • #4 by albell on February 13, 2017 - 7:59 pm

      Didn’t check the draw on the halogens, I suppose I should have to be complete. I can do that easily, these are spare bulbs.

      You know I thought the same about the beam pattern. The halogens only can go in one way so they are correct ( and I had the lamps the right way up). The led bulbs are two piece, the base with the three lugs as in a standard bulb, and the light itself that has a bayonet type mount to the base. That can go in two ways, only one way is correct. I made sure of the orientation a few times as I was puzzled by the beam pattern. I think the weirdness is an artifact of having the lamps close to the backstop.

      Still a bit of snow around, just in the sided of the roads here and there. You need a plow for the stude 🙂

      Cheers

      Ab

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  3. #5 by edbee on March 2, 2017 - 10:25 pm

    plow for the stude: that poor old thing couldn’t move if there were 1/2 inch of snow on the ground. It even has trouble just in a bit of wet grass. I am not sure if any variety of limited slip differential was invented in 1946 but if it was, it wasn’t an option for studebakers of that vintage. Doesn’t help it has ‘road’ type tires on it. See this post for a description of the problem and photos:
    http://www.network54.com/Forum/23885/message/1457307371

    • #6 by albell on March 3, 2017 - 12:05 am

      Oops… I hit a sore spot, sorry 🙂

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  4. #7 by edbee on March 11, 2017 - 7:34 pm

    Hmmm, 🙂 I never thought of it as a sore spot 🙂 but now that you mention that, it’s true the truck would certainly be more useful if it had a limited slip diff, but.. it is what is is and I am happy with it in spite of its shortcomings. Funny that so far every part of it I have worked on so far has been easier to deal with than pretty much anything on the westy: less rusty/stuck parts and way more room to access anything/everything. That being said, I am equally happy with the westy: the two are about as different as the forklift and the sports car in one of your recent posts. Spring’s a coming!!!

    • #8 by albell on March 11, 2017 - 8:40 pm

      Bigger wrench set and much easier access. As good as the vanagon is do you ever get the feeling it’s relatively delicate? Well certainly compared to the stude.

      Ab

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  5. #9 by edbee on March 16, 2017 - 1:47 pm

    re delicate: certainly the transaxle, and some might say the CVs, maybe head ‘gaskets’. Yup, the Studebaker is full on ’40s ‘built like a tank’ functionality (except for it’s decided lack of go anywhere ability – stoppable by wet grass) Maybe you did hit a sore spot…

    • #10 by albell on March 16, 2017 - 8:24 pm

      The old stude won’t make it out of the there is a heavy dew?

      🙂

      Andy the syncro, I’m not the first to think that we ask to much of them .

      Ab

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